Like there's any point in even pretending that this post is about anything but sex.

[trinityofone]

I managed to sneak another story into sga_flashfic's Amnesty: Playing Tag, McKay/Sheppard, dog tag porn for megolas. For the 38 Minutes Challenge, which, dude, was really HARD. When I'm not tearing my hair out or weeping into my hands, I sometimes get kind of cocky about writing--"I can do ANYTHING!"--and while I was nervous about this challenge, it shocked me by being even harder than I thought. The worst was not having enough time to tinker--I'm poor at actual revision, but I hadn't realized how important the ability to make little changes was to me. So that was interesting.

Also interesting: the results to the, erm, topping poll. Not so much the trend toward giving Rodney the honors--I had noticed that in my reading, and I am absolutely NOT complaining--but the fact that so many of you expressed a preference for physicist over flyboy. (No offense to John meant--you are my emergency backup boyfriend always, and I love you, but it's tough to beat out that mind and that mouth and those eyes and those arms and...I'm getting off-topic.) Um, not that the poll was in any way scientific, and I suspect that if I put up the exact same questions on a different day, the results would vary considerably. But, uh. I guess I just thought more of the fandom in general was Shep-inclined. Maybe that's it: in general. I've got mostly slashers on my flist; how do you think the results to the second question would differ if it was asked to het 'shippers? Or am I making lame-o assumptions here?

And now I'm going to do something I'll probably regret and talk about sga_rps. Now, I should probably start by saying that I have never read RPS. That never is just a little too broad, though: I've started reading RPS several times (it's not like I have a moral objection or anything; not even close) but it's always made me a bit too uncomfortable and I've had to stop. Mostly, I think it's because I'm confused in my own head about who I'm reading about: actors aren't characters; there's no canon! Nothing (concrete) to base it on! It...it flusters me, okay? It just makes me feel...weird.

That said, I have a feeling that if I could get past whatever weirdness I'm experiencing, I would really like it. Mostly because I like anything that seems taboo--hi! PRIESTSEX!--and there are all sorts of reasons why relationships between two actors--especially two male actors--on a show or movie could become complicated and angst-ridden--IOW, fun. And yet: I persist in feeling squicked.

The reason I bring this up is because today I realized what I think I really want: an original novel about two male actors on a popular TV show who fall in love and struggle with it and fame and a myriad of other complications, have lots of prettily-described sex, and eventually end up together, after possibly making out during a live taping or something. And then I want that original novel to be made into a movie starring David Hewlett and Joe Flanigan. *g*

Till that happens, I will be watching the behind-the-scenes TV Guide clip that slashygood posted over and over, and y'all can start a betting pool as to whether I cave and join sga_rps this week or next month or never. Or now.

Comments

[slashygood.livejournal.com]

::rolls up sleeves, drags you over to the dark side::

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

I had just put it out of my mind, too! Damn you and your evil, evil timing!

Aww, I shouldn't say that. You SHOWERED me with David Hewlett today. *loves you*

[violin-road.livejournal.com]

See, man. This is why you need to come into RPF through, like, popslash; those kids ain't hardly real people ♥.


(She says, using an icon of a baseball player she has certainly never read any porn about, no sir, because baseball players, they're real people.)

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

Is he wearing a sparkly wig? WTF?

This is why you need to come into RPF through, like, popslash; those kids ain't hardly real people

Yes, but unfortunately, that pretty much stops me from caring. ;-) With SGA, I care just enough that it's making me nervous...

I think I'm waiting for there to be even one good story that people are reccing. I suspect that'd be enough to push me over the edge. *she says, teetering*

[siria]

Oh, god, dog tags. YES. *makes squeaky noises*

Am leaving for Dublin right now. Well, as soon as I've packed up my laptop. See you in a little bit!

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

YAYS!

Wow. Most pointless comment EVER. *doesn't care*

[randomeliza.livejournal.com]

If I had any money at all, I'd totally help pay for that movie to be made.

As for the flyboy love - I associate a little too well with Rodney McKay, what with the abrasiveness and the overwhelming arrogance and the love of sarcasm and the intellectual snobbery, so I can completely understand the attraction to John Sheppard. But while I adore Rodney, I'm not so much attracted to him - though the mind and the mouth are hot!

As for RPS - it has that forbidden hotness that can be hot. But where I can totally see it with some movies and TV shows, I really can't at all with SGA. But I'm sure I could be convinced. I'm kind of easy that way.

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

If I had any money at all, I'd totally help pay for that movie to be made.

See, I need FUNDING. Or a patron, like a proper 19th Century writer. Yes.

In the other post, megolas and I were talking a little bit about the weirdness of being most attracted to the character you most relate to. I'm--well, I suppose I'm all for it, but I can see how it'd be strange. John makes a good, um, backup option. ;-)

But I'm sure I could be convinced. I'm kind of easy that way.

I think that's what I'm feeling. I'm already curious; therefore, it is probably only a matter of time.

And BTW, huge love to your icon!

[airinshaw.livejournal.com]

My favourite part of the TV guide thingy? David Hewlett screaming like a woman when he's dropped - so cute!

RPS has never appealed to me really - probably because while I see R/J as omg-their-love-is-so-hot-and-impure-and-snarky, slashing DH and JF just makes me want to grab DH and go "No! Mine!" Unless I can watch and then have them both...

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

David Hewlett screaming like a woman when he's dropped - so cute!

Yeah, he talks about in some of the commentaries, too. I just... *squishes him*

slashing DH and JF just makes me want to grab DH and go "No! Mine!" Unless I can watch and then have them both...

Okay, now you're just getting greedy. I approve of greed. *nods*

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

Hey, don't write me off yet! A hidden store of morals may yet raise its ugly head!

Or tomorrow, I may go back to not caring. Who knows.

...But did you see that clip? TOO CUTE. *dies anew*

[isiscolo.livejournal.com]

See, for me RPF is for the most part profoundly uninteresting, because I find John Sheppard and Rodney McKay far more interesting as characters than Joe Flanigan and David Hewlett. It's not so much a squick as it is a "so what?" reaction.

On the other hand, there is one actor (not in SGA) who does appeal to me on an RPF level - the problem is that none of the actors he's typically paired with interest me like that.

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

It's not so much a squick as it is a "so what?" reaction.

Oh, yes: that is absolutely a part--perhaps the main part--of why I haven't hopped on the bandwagon already. Like, people will say, "But this popslash is so good!" And I'm sure it is. But I still don't see why I should care.

The same has mostly been true for me with actors on the TV shows I've been obsessed with: I loved SPIKE, not James Marsters, and for the most part, I didn't care what (or who) he was doing. (We will avoid mention of the time I dragged darcydodo to San Francisco to see his band. Temporary insanity, okay?)

But then lately, a lot of the SGA actors have just been BOMBARDING me with cuteness, and well, it's given me thoughts. Just thoughts at this point, but they're undeniably there. Possibly, if I gave in and satisfied my curiosity, I would be bored again and simply cease to care, but right now, when it's a temptation and nothing else--it's tantalizing.

On the other hand, there is one actor (not in SGA) who does appeal to me on an RPF level

Curiosity, again: I cannot escape it. May I ask who?

[wychwood]

Also interesting: the results to the, erm, topping poll. Not so much the trend toward giving Rodney the honors--I had noticed that in my reading, and I am absolutely NOT complaining--but the fact that so many of you expressed a preference for physicist over flyboy. (No offense to John meant--you are my emergency backup boyfriend always, and I love you, but it's tough to beat out that mind and that mouth and those eyes and those arms and...I'm getting off-topic.) Um, not that the poll was in any way scientific, and I suspect that if I put up the exact same questions on a different day, the results would vary considerably. But, uh. I guess I just thought more of the fandom in general was Shep-inclined. Maybe that's it: in general. I've got mostly slashers on my flist; how do you think the results to the second question would differ if it was asked to het 'shippers? Or am I making lame-o assumptions here?

I think probably that the het side of things is more John-focussed - the biggest ships are John/Elizabeth and John/Teyla, from what I've seen. But there are certainly some big John fans even on the slash side - _inbetween_, for one *g*. I dunno. Maybe it's just that you hang out with the other Rodney-fans more?

RPF... makes me deeply uncomfortable. Because while I agree that exploring the idea of relationships between actors could be really interesting, ultimately, I'm never happy with speculating over the private lives of Real Live Persons. It just squicks me.

The original novel sounds really cool, though *g* I would totally be up for that! Plus there's lots of interesting stuff about whether the actors are falling in love with the people or the characters... did you ever watch Deep Space Nine? Because two of the actors there got married. And another two on Babylon 5. Both marriages broke up within a few years, and I'm pretty sure one of the reasons cited was that confusion.

(also? Based on the behind-the-scenes stuff I've seen, it doesn't actually look like JF hangs out with the others as much anyway. DH seems to spend more time with Paul McGillion and some of the others...)

[wychwood]

Oh, and also? Like isiscolo, I'm almost always much less interested in the actual actors than the characters. I mean, DH is a great big geek, and I love that, but I'm not really interested in what the actors do other than making things for me to watch *g* Same with musicians. Partly I think this is because even the nicest performers tend to have major ego (because you don't get too far without it...), and that puts me off. I would rather not know.

[suzy_queue]

I'm totally an RPS-er. But mainly only in popslash, really. I tend to get uncomfortable with actors, because I feel more comfortable with and knowledgebout about the characters they play. (Whereas the NSYNC members presented to the public are like characters of their own.)

Anyway, I joined that comm the moment I saw it, mostly because I was really curious what people would do with Joe's wife and kids. (Somehow, I had assumed that it would mostly be Joe/David, and I was right. *g*) Overall, there isn't much there, but it's not really bad. They don't seem like their characters, but I could see it being them, too. (And I like Torri even more now, for some reason. LOL!) I don't have the comm friended, so I can just go read when I feel like it. That helps. I was pleased to see a story from a trusted and beloved popslash writer. Which was pretty good. *g* Many of the good sga slash writers came from popslash.

Also, in terms of Joe's wife and kids - they don't pop up. His wife mainly is okay with it all, and kids are never mentioned. Gotta love it. LOL

[isiscolo.livejournal.com]

Heh, I have to say that based on behind-the-scenes clips and so on, I am more interested in Torri than I am in Elizabeth. I might actually read RPF about her.

[not-sally.livejournal.com]

if you join, I'll feel less guilty about having immediately joined after reading this post.
^_^

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

Oh no, I've given you guilt! But hey: at least you make a decision and stick to it! I'm still...wavering.

[crownglass39.livejournal.com]

I've dipped my toe in RPS, but I try to avoid it.
I'm kind of worried about how much I will like it and my brain is scrambled enough as it is without adding to the melodrama.

Personally, I feel that RPS toes an invisible line. Maybe not crosses it alltogether, but definately flirts with it a bit.
Now talking about rock groups, that doesn't bother me as much because the writers are just messing with the percieved persona, what the machine wants the public to know. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the real person.

I dunno. I think that the reason RPS kind of squicks me is the possible implications and problems it can cause at cons.
As it is, I already cringe at people asking *way* to personal questions of actors regarding character slash at cons. I think I'd just about crawl into a hole if someone went up there and said, "Oh yeah, I get off reading about DH and PM getting it on" or something like that.
Because, let's face it, we've all been to cons where people lacked TACT and if slash comes up (no pun intended) then one day RPS will come up.

(That being said, I once wrote a Mary-Sue ish story about the band Cinderella. Ever heard of them?)

So I guess I just don't know what I think so God only knows why I'm babbling about this....

[trinityofone.livejournal.com]

I'm kind of worried about how much I will like it and my brain is scrambled enough as it is without adding to the melodrama

Yup, exactly. It's...kind of the same reason I haven't tried drugs? ;-)

Because, let's face it, we've all been to cons where people lacked TACT and if slash comes up (no pun intended) then one day RPS will come up.

Well, I've never been to a con, and I actually hid in my room one night last year when I knew that PM was signing at a comics store here in Dublin. People who I think are really, really cool? They SCARE ME.

But yeah: that would be mortifying--to all of fandom--if someone at a con asked a question about RPS. I'm cringing just thinking about it. Be cool, my fellow fans, be cool!

So I guess I just don't know what I think so God only knows why I'm babbling about this....

Oh, like I knew? We babble to babble--and occasionally we stumble on things that are damn profound!

[birdsflying]

I write rps. And I'm sort of on the edge of the sga rps pool, dipping my toes in but I think I know what will/has stopped me going any further is:

a)the lack of knowledge. I mean - like plainsong_x said, there's no media blitz or prepackaged selling. Both popslash and lotrips had a canon in the sense that just about everything they did as a group was documented in some way - photos, footage (the EE dvds? a fucking *goldmine*), interviews etc.

DH and JF? Sure, there's bits - I've watched like, three behind the scene things, listened to one commentary and from the latter I know that Joe's "scared of the internet" (siege podcast) - but it's nothing as comprehensive because both seem to value their privacy etc and aren't been packaged as a selling point. I read the fic and..I can't see it as being them because I don't have the "canon" behind me, if you will. (not that I believe that what I read in lotrips and popslash was actually them but I could at least see the "canon" inspiration behind it.)

and b) is that I come from the fannish era where rps was frowned upon. A lot. I changed to this name because of that about five years ago and in a way, I still feel a bit...'keep it secret, keep it safe' about it, so when the people involved are netsavvy? I get a bit flaily. Elijah Wood? Boy knows how to work on the internet. DH? Runs/ran a web design company and is, from what I've read, the biggest geek this side of wil wheaton - I would bet money that he's already seen McShep porn without it being brought to his attention and wow, do I flail like a flaily thing at that thought. The idea of him finding rps just sends me into a tizzy. :g:

But, yeah - that's just my personal reasons. I'm certainly in favour of other people writing it and all but I don't ever see myself doing more than dipping my toes in the edge.

Man, I was going to say something about my experience with the 38 minute challenge but I've already babbled on long enough... Heh!

[birdsflying]

and having just watched that clip. Heee! heee! Oh, I <3 them so. "Cranberry, it's a...fall colour..." <3 <3 <3.

[fic-kitty.livejournal.com]

SUBMIT TO THE RPS!!!11!1!!

:P

Really, on the whole, I get the same reaction as you. Like, I see little behind-the-scenes clips (such as that crack you pointed me to! Thanks for that!) and god, I am *such* a behind-the-scenes whore, and I think "Zomg they're doing it!" and then it comes to *reading* about them doing it and I just get...weird. *shrugs* Maybe it's because someday (god willing) I might actually meet these people and then I'd have porn featuring them and their very cute costar running through my head :P This applies to SGA or LotR or, occasionally, Matt Damon/Ben Affleck. The latter only after I've watched "Good Will Hunting" AGAIN for the bazillionth time...

oh, that tv guide thing is comedy gold

[sinensiss.livejournal.com]

and I just have to say that at the end of the clip, it looks to me like DH is doing his Joe Flanigan impersonation, and really, that's beyond cute.

[some-stars.livejournal.com]

ah, rps. *pats it* yeah, i have a fondness for actors, and these people are the cutest ever, and listening to the commentaries makes me want to write extremely silly fic where everyone has drunken sex and yet it somehow comes out gen in the end, mostly because Torri is the most ADORABLE LITTLE BUNNY IN THE UNIVERSE, but uh. yeah. I never could get into it except popslash, because that's like...dozens and dozens of hours of footage, and a million interviews, and music videos, all with varying degrees of scriptedness--teasing out a "real"(as in, not at all, but...*coherent* might be the better word) personality from the occasional flashes of candidness was a whole different kind of fun. And also, there was NO GUILT because omg, they're in a boyband, they KNEW what they were getting into. *g*

whereas with regular actors, there's--first of all, barely ANY material to work with, and a much less intense bond/group situation, and they are much more like real people and less like media personae, and also they tend to have wives and girlfriends and husbands which is just...OH MAN, NO. I cannot write porn about a man who has adorable children.

(also, I feel certain that writing RPS about a SCREENWRITER would damn me forever, and I would DESERVE IT. I'm SORRY MARTIN you're just SO AWESOME.)

however, I do like the ACTORS! IN! LUV! storyline, and I encourage you to write it! yum!

[anitac588.livejournal.com]

Thank you for the link! That little clip cracked me up.

Ah, the RPS special hell. I had an icon for the SV. Rosenbaum and Welling did it many times on certain kitchen counter, yep.
But thank you for bringing the sga rps group to my awareness. I was thinking how come this hasn't come up yet. It's there allright, I just didn't know.

I was a big fan of Star Wars Christensen/MacGregor slash, with touch of Jude Law, Viggo and Bloom and Pitt. Total crack. Then I read MacGregor's Long Way Around where he talks about his wife Eve a lot and bam - like a cold shower, I couldn't read another line.

[godofwine.livejournal.com]

As someone who first started writing fanfic ever (well, except for one brief adventure in Sailor Moon which I will never admit to) in RPS (and not of the popslash variety), but it's never bothered me mostly because i think any intelligent rps-er knows it's pure fiction, it's taking the actors as characters in a particular setting and writing a story about them. I mean, it's like historical slash, it's taking real people and making them fake people in sense.

But if you do get over you squick, you should totally read Thirteen Letters for Maybe (http://prettylights.compromisingpositions.net/thirteen.html) which is very mild and also very well written.

[stellahobbit.livejournal.com]

I'm not even going to talk about the fact that I was searching for SGA RPF only three days ago and couldn't find any, even though I vaguely remember reading a first-time fic a couple of months ago, and I don't want to read it because actors are inevitably dickheads and I want to maintain my love of the characters, and OMG I've joined anyway.

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