Why is SGA fandom so segregated?

[trinityofone]

lavvyan! I got your package! Thank you so much, it's gorgeous. (To curious parties: it's a piece of papyrus with the Ancient Egyptian calendar on it.) Actually, the tube it came in is gorgeous, too. But I really want to try to get it framed. And this Treed Murray poster, which I keep saying I should treat myself to. (Hey, I have a new apartment and a new office to decorate here!) There has to be a cheap frame shop in existence somewhere...right?

I am incredibly, incredibly tired today. I was exhausted yesterday, and couldn't even make it through The Daily Show before I crashed. This is bad. I thought I was adjusting to my new work schedule, but I guess I'm not. Is there any way to train yourself to need less sleep?

One thing that has almost kept me energized has been the response to the SGA Bulwer-Lytton Contest. There are so many awesome and hysterical entries, it's going to be killer to choose. So I think I'll pick my--15? Is that how many entries an LJ poll allows?--my 15 or so favorites and let people vote on the Grand Prize Winner. Unless anybody has wild objections, I'll put that up tomorrow.

Like I said, the response has been incredible, and I've seen some new names (by which I mean: people I don't know, even by association, not "people who don't usually comment here"), which is always cool. But--and please correct me if I'm wrong--I still seem to be attracting mostly McKay/Sheppard people, or at least mostly slash people. Which in general makes sense, because hey, I write McKay/Sheppard, I talk about McKay/Sheppard, most of my friends are into McKay/Sheppard. As far as I'm concerned, McKay/Sheppard is for yay.

BUT. I like other pairings, too (my other fandom interest could possibly be described as McKay/women), and I think at least a little cross-pairing pollination is to be encouraged. My last fandom was BtVS/AtS, and it was wild, man. I mean, I started out a Spuffy shipper (Shut up! Their love was pure snarky and hot! At least before it became canon, anyway) but I liked the slash a lot (Buffydom was where I really grew to be comfortable with slash) and I wrote and read some of pretty much everything. It was all mixed.

Why is SGA so much more segregated? I mean, I don't think this is entirely a bad thing--I don't want my flist flooded with Sheppard/Weir stories, and I doubt the Sheppard/Weir shippers want a gazillion McKay/Sheppard stories on their friends pages, either. But is it just me, or is it extremely hard to organize activities that include all sides of fandom? Take reel_sga. The response to that has been great...but as pairings go, not very diverse. In terms of my personal reading habits, that's fine, but I had kind of hoped that there'd be more pairings represented. And maybe there still will be. That would be cool.

(Speaking of one nice bit of pairing diversity, I really loved this reel_sga entry: McKay/Ford art by deani_bean. It's the tie thing. That's awesome, and that transcends OTP-loyalty [and I say this as someone who is mockably OTPish at times]. Which is cool, no?)

Anyway, the Bulwer-Lytton thing is different, because of course it is not pairing-centric: it's mostly about mocking style and usage, although certain tropes have been fun to mock, too. It's about bad writing, but it's also about amusing and clever writing, and seeing what you can do in the space of a sentence. That's something everybody can appreciate, right?

So I guess what I'm wondering is, where are the het shippers? (Again, please correct me if they're around and I've just been too dumb to notice.) And I just don't mean, why aren't they here, responding to this--what is here is awesome, and I'm not like, demanding more people participate, omg. I just mean, I've been in this fandom for almost a year now--how have we managed not to interact at all? Of course, part of this may be me--I'm certainly not trolling john_elizabeth, because why would I want to? So I'm also not saying, "Sheppard/Weir peeps! Why aren't you over at mckay_sheppard? We've got a hot tub, come hang out!" Because seriously, why would they want to? But the fact that there's little-to-no crossover is just astonishing to me.

Maybe it's just that we have a situation that's more like X-Files fandom than Buffydom. Back in the old days, I was rabid about MSR, and I just didn't go anywhere near the slash. (Or Scully/Skinner, or whatever else there was.) I can't remember very well, but I think I was actively afraid of those unfamiliar corners of the net, and that included any of the projects "those people" may have been involved in. Of course, I think this may have had MUCH more to do with the fact that I was 14 than with my shipping preferences, but could there possibly be some connection? What I'd like to know is, do most people on the het end of fandom see even a name associated with slash and immediately go, "Avoid! Avoid! Avoid!"? Which, I hasten to say, would be totally their right. But I realize, I don't even know anyone over there that I could ask.

I'm not saying that there needs to be some sort of cross-ship dialogue, because I think those things tend to end in angry glaring at best. Possibly, just ignoring each other is the best way to avoid conflict, and I'm all for avoiding conflict. I'm just surprised there isn't some sort of neutral zone, some shaded area at the center of the Giant Venn Diagram of Fandom Life. Why do you think that is?

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[saeva.livejournal.com]

I only prefer the idea of a separate newsletter because of the issue of volume -- not because I think they should be separated. I will, personally, read anything that strikes my interest, regardless of main character, pairing, etc. so I use the McShep links as much as the other links.

I come from the HP fandom where, though it took much wanking, they sort of came to a balance about such things and so that's influencing me a lot. The existence of multiple letters in HP doesn't create a sense of exclusion, just cleans things up a bit so it's easier to find the information you want. In the same manner, two newsletter posts a day: one with McShep, one with everything else, would serve the exact same purpose.

But I can see how you wouldn't want that, because it might encourage some people, especially OTPers, to stick only to their own tastes and ignore everything else. I get what you mean about segration, I really do, just coming from HP that's not where my mind went.

I'll also admit that up until now I didn't find any of the editors very approachable as we don't run in the same circles and you *seemed* to be heavily pushing the e-mail option (one I, and apparently others, are not comfortable with).

That being said, with the inclusion of stargate and atlantis_icons on the reader list I'm actually quite satisified, if only because it's nice to feel I've been listened to and that you are approachable. I imagine it really was just an oversight of accident and one that's been causing me some frustration for awhile; I only wish I'd spoken up sooner and less accidentally. (I really was only making some observations; they weren't intended as allegations.)

To Trin, sorry about this mess on your LJ. I tend to say things that I don't realize will be significant until far too late.

Also to Trin: Do you know the stereotype that slashers are better organized because they had to be? SGA is a fandom that has collected a lot -- a LOT -- of old school slashers, people who were around for The Sentinel and Star Trek: The Next Generation and earlier shows where you hid the slash and you organized yourself because no one else would.

So, in part, if these slashers are the ones organizing things that's who's being collected as well in organized events (reel_sga might not be organized by old school slashers but... it's the sort of thing that would be). Combine that with the dominance (relatively) of the McShep ship -- SGA isn't quite a one ship fandom but it's a One Huge Ship and a Few Big Ships and everyone else as a fandom -- and you have your answer, I think.

It's just a matter of who's there to organize and what they're organizing, you know?

- Andrea.